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Nick S
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Nick S 發問於 Science & MathematicsMathematics · 1 十年前

Integral Theory?

Let R+ = {x | x in R, x > 0}, where R is the field of real numbers.

Suppose A is a subset of R+, and define 1/A = {1/y | y is in A}

Note that 1/A is also a subset of R+

Further, let C be the field of complex numbers and suppose

f: A --> C

is such that f is integrable on A, and further, f is integrable on 1/A (integrable in this context could be restricted to general Riemann integration, but Lebesgue integration may be more useful)

Question:

Is there a way to evaluate the following expression:

∫ (A) f(x) f(1/x) dx

I know it should be defined, because, letting g(x) = f(1/x), as f is integrable on 1/A, then g is integrable on A, so the product fg is integrable on A...

I'm wondering if there's a way to evaluate it.

As a particular case, consider the integral:

∫ (pi to 3pi) e^((e^(ix))/2) e^((e^(-ix))/2) dx

(yes, this is ∫ (pi to 3pi) e^(cos(x)) dx, but I wanted to see if there was a trick to the more general case, as I'm guessing this integral is done by contour integration)

更新:

JCS:

I was wondering when someone would invoke the name of Stieltjes. I was hoping it wasn't going to be something of that form, but would it instead be something like

-∫[A]x^2*f(x)dg(x)

if we define g(x) = f(1/x)?

It's still ugly to work with, and likely, as you said, just a theoretical tool, and not helpful in evaluating the integral, but it is an interesting problem, certainly...originally I thought it was trivial, but as I began to delve into the theory, it became apparent how deep and involved the evaluation and theory of these types of problems would be...

更新 2:

JCS:

Oh, right...my bad...

I'm not sure where I got the -x^2, because like you said, it'd just be f'(1/x), not -x^2*f(1/x)...

If I think of what I meant by that, I'll post another question in response to this one...

As it is, this problem seems to lack a general method of analytically solving it, even though it's well-known from theoretical considerations that the solution exists.

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  • JCS
    Lv 5
    1 十年前
    最愛解答

    EDIT: how did you obtain the expression

    -∫[A]x^2*f(x)dg(x) ?

    If you define g(x) = f(1/x) then, assuming differentiability a.e. for f(x), you'll have

    dg(x) = −(1/x^2)f'(1/x)dx

    not

    dg(x) = −(1/x^2)f(1/x)dx

    And substituting the former would not result in your original expression, but in

    ∫ (A) f(x) f'(1/x) dx

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    If you just want to compute the integral, then my bet would also be countour integration.

    If you want to look at integrals of this type from the theoretical side, then what you have is a Lebesgue - Stieltjes integral (or Riemann - Stieltjes, depending on how you choose to define the base integral). In a nutshell, these are Lebesgue (or Riemann) integrals of the form:

    ∫[A]f(x)dg(x)

    Where g(x) is a sufficiently regular function that defines a measure on A; in your particular case, you have an integral over (R+,μ), where μ is the measure defined by g(x) = f(1 / x).

    Note that these integrals are mainly theoretical tools, it's unlikely that they will be of some help in evaluating particular cases.

  • ?
    Lv 4
    5 年前

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  • 匿名
    1 十年前

    Interesting question. I would remark that if we define g(t)=f(exp(t)) and ln(A)={ln s;s in A}, then your integral equals ∫ (ln A) g(x)g(-x)exp(x) dx

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