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What would be a good name for the unit-measure of Denier stupidity?
It has become increasing frequent for Deniers to talk about the “pause” in terms of having lasted some number of years plus some number of months.
Giving a name (“Pause”) to something that has never been physically defined – and whose reality, therefore, is unknown – may involve some intellectual/psychological dysfunction beyond mere stupidity.
However, claiming that the alleged Pause – which (if real) would represent a signal within the multi-decadal global warming signal – can be resolved to some number of individual years and individual months (for example, claiming that the Pause began 17 years and 8 months ago) would mean:
1) Being too stupid to know what “multi (multiple)” means;
2) Being too stupid to know what “decadal (decade)” means, and therefore;
3) Being too stupid to comprehend units of time consisting of “two or more decades.”
4) It also means being too stupid to define “accurate” and “precise.”
Someone has already suggested measuring stupidity in units “Palin,” but I think we need something with a more direct connection:
‘Watts’ would be great except it is already taken.
‘Eschenbach’ is too long – but ‘Willie’ (Willis) deserves consideration. Stupidity measured in ‘milli-Willies’, ‘micro-Willies’, and ‘mega-Willies’ has some appeal, I think.
What are some other names for units-stupid that exist in the Wide Wide World of AGW?
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Kano ---
Giving something a name (pause) also gives it a meaning – and since no Denier has been able to demonstrate that the warming trend over the last 17 years is statistically significantly different from the trend in preceding years – there is (1) no scientific evidence than anything has changed and, therefore (2) there is no scientific evidence for the last 17 years being anything other than normal variation.
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kano (cont) --
Your refusal to follow scientific methods while simultaneously claiming to have scientific knowledge of climate change makes everything you say a lie. Either learn some science or quit saying that your opinions have anything to do with science..
kano ---
>>Get that even the Met office admits to a pause.<<
The MET Office admits that some people have called something a pause.
Here is what they say:
“A wide range of observed climate indicators continue to show changes that are
consistent with a globally warming world, and our understanding of how the climate
system works.”
“It is only with averaging periods of 30 years or longer that climate change can be detected robustly.”
The so-called pause, “does not materially alter the risks of substantial warming of the Earth by the end of this century. Nor does it invalidate the fundamental physics of global warming, the scientific basis of climate models and their estimates of climate sensitivity. “
If you are not intentionally lying then you are almost as stupid as Sage.
kano --
Science was invented because common sense yields only false knowledge and mysticism.
>>I entirely agree normal variations with no indications of AGW <<
Who has ever suggested that normal variations indicate AGW? AGW is defined by - and only refers to - the empirical observations and scientific evidence that is outside of normal variability.
9 個解答
- Hey DookLv 77 年前
I don't think there is one yardstick to fit all. It depends on the background, age, etc of the denier, and also on how proactive the denial is. Refusing to admit an "inconvenient truth" is for instance something rather different than pro-actively lying in order to spread deception.
Furthermore there are degrees of denial as well as degrees of stupidity (and varying forms of both) and the two often do not correlate.
The biggest deniers are not the most stupid, and the most effective deniers are not those who are personally in denial the most.
And, to complicate matters still further, there is also meta-denial: Denying that one has denied, or -in one particularly egregious case- lying and then lying about the lying once caught out. That one correlates with an obsession for fake quotes and Goebbels projectionism.
Better, I think, to measure the denial rather than the deniers. For example, is it a straight copy-paste from `Wattsup, or a Wattsup parallel, or some "higher level" predecessor of or source for Wattsup? And how much confusion and misunderstanding is added into the copy-pasting, versus more clever repacking and disguising of the copying, versus (rare on this site) original greenfields anti-science myth creation?
- KanoLv 77 年前
What about hansons, I have yet to hear any top climate scientist deny a pause, they have explanations but they dont deny, but the people here are acting as true deniers, it really makes me wonder.
Okay a pause is not proof that AGW is not real, maybe next year temperatures will take off and rise and climate change will be back on course (I dont think so but admit the possibility) but to deny the pause is just donkey like stubborness, religious like inflexibility, dogma, or what ever you want to call it.
Edit for C
This is what the Met office is saying http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0SO800Y2GZTZjUAKe1...
Get that! even the Met office admits to a pause.
Edit for Gary
you say quote "there is (1) no scientific evidence than anything has changed and, therefore (2) there is no scientific evidence for the last 17 years being anything other than normal variation".
I entirely agree normal variations with no indications of AGW
I am not claiming to have scientific knowledge (I do claim to have commonsense) and I am pointing out what scientists have said, not what I say.
- CLv 57 年前
The first pause statement was by David Rose in a 13 October 2012 DailyMail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-221... article. David had interviewed the MET (who never siad there had been a pause) but he left portions out of the interview and made it sound like the MET said there had been a pause The MET later responded and debunked Rose (http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-blogs/climat... Since then it has been claimed to be 15 and 17 years depending which denier or denier blog uses it but it is still a lie and a few deniers here keep posting it and have been given the MET answer and still post the lie
- MilesLv 47 年前
The deniers on this site seem to be preoccupied in a narrow field of silliness, with way to much time on their hands. So to honor them for their, wasted, but hard work I'm suggesting something like SageKanBB'S
- 匿名7 年前
How about IQ from 0-10.
- BBLv 77 年前
How about the "Anti Herd-Mentality Index"??
Miles....That was the best you could come up with??......Sheesh!
- 7 年前
By "denier" you must mean people who deny the existence of the pause?
If so, I propose that the unit should be called the Gary. That will generally be far too large for most cases so the micro Gary (µG) will be more typical.
" ... we find that the continued warming stagnation over fifteen years, from 1998 -2012, is no longer consistentwith model projections ..."
Hans von Storch, Armineh Barkhordarian, Klaus Hasselmann and Eduardo Zorita.
http://www.academia.edu/4210419/Can_climate_models...
"Global mean surface temperatures rose rapidly from the 1970s, but have been relatively flat over the most recent 15 years to 2013."
The UK Met Office
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-p...
"Despite the continued increase in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, the annual-mean global temperature has not risen in the twenty-first century"
Yu Kosaka & Shang-Ping Xie
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent...
"Recent intensification of wind-driven circulation in the Pacific and the ongoing warming hiatus"
Matthew H. England, Shayne McGregor, Paul Spence, Gerald A. Meehl, Axel Timmermann, Wenju Cai, Alex Sen Gupta, Michael J. McPhaden, Ariaan Purich & Agus Santoso
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n3/full/...
"Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global-Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years"
IPCC AR5 WG1 Box 9.2
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WG...
"Leading climate scientist Kevin Trenberth has told reportingclimatescience.com that he believes the pause in global warming may be caused by long term changes in the Pacific Ocean."
http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-storie...
"Sixteen years into the mysterious ‘global-warming hiatus’, scientists are piecing together an explanation."
Jeff Tollefson - Nature Climate Change
http://www.nature.com/news/climate-change-the-case...
I could go on ...