How is not caring about the truth different from lying about it?

They think it is funny that people suffer and die.

To Kano:

<<You know the EU have even banned the sale of abnormal shaped bananas or cucumbers...>>

How nice of you to provide us with an example of your ignorance. The bananas and cucumbers ban is another completely made up scare story by the UK tabloids the deniers are so fond of when it comes to pseudo science reporting.

Below a short clip from the excellent BBC series QI which specifically handles this and other Euromyths and who invented them and why.

http://youtu.be/oqVJEZnYiZo

Kano is simply supporting "his team"

And I agree with Sagebrush and Chemflunky when they talk about fear response. The irony is of course that Sagebrush is LYING by misquoting the "Club of Rome" in order to spread fear.

In 1991, the Club published The First Global Revolution. It analyses the problems of humanity, calling these collectively or in essence the 'problematique'. It notes (laments) that, historically, social or political unity has commonly been motivated by enemies in common: "The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor. Some states have striven to overcome domestic failure and internal contradictions by blaming external enemies. The ploy of finding a scapegoat is as old as mankind itself - when things become too difficult at home, divert attention to adventure abroad. Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose. With the disappearance of the traditional enemy, the temptation is to use religious or ethnic minorities as scapegoats, especially those whose differences from the majority are disturbing." "Every state has been so used to classifying its neighbours as friend or foe, that the sudden absence of traditional adversaries has left governments and public opinion with a great void to fill. New enemies have to be identified, new strategies imagined, and new weapons devised." "In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself." [1]

It is simply another attempt at an association fallacy [2] by lying in order to imply that because those people said something that sounds suspicious, that the whole humanist and scientific community is "bad" Maybe he is trying to divert attention from himself. Not surprising since here are some quotes made by Sagebrush (who frequently quotes Nazi's to further his cause)

"Execute all those who voted for OBAMA",

"Sustainability is a codeword for communism",

"Hire the handicapped, they are fun to watch"",

"Justice and equality are codewords for communism",

"God has his hand on the thermostat".

So while it is obvious what kind of person Sagebrush is, if we were to use his "logic" [2] it would make ALL deniers, genocidal, Nazi loving, justice, equality and sustainability hating, religious extremists. Although it would not be unreasonable to assume that his fans [3] are.

That sounds like it's shading into lying, at least. Maybe not a flat-out whopper, but not exactly an innocent misunderstanding.

There are... some "skeptics" here that I give at least some of the benefit of the doubt to. They genuinely do seem to be misunderstanding or ignorant, rather than flat-out, bald-faced lying. But some... rather less so. (and sometimes the same person is at various points on the scale)

Though, in fact, Sage is probably right about it being a fear response. Not rational fear, but fear nonetheless. People will do a lot of stupid s*** if they feel threatened by something.

It is not lying, It is not a joke, I am seriously concerned over the way the this world is going, we hear people saying we should stop eating meat all become vegetarians, Obama wants regulations on cattle farms, and as Chem says we feel threatened (I do) by 'totalarian government' what Baroness Verma said worried me, whats starts off as a joke ends up as a regulation.

You know the EU have even banned the sale of abnormal shaped bananas or cucumbers and many other stupid rules, banning the sale of baked beans is not that far fetched.

Why do you expect rational behavior or intellectual honesty from a group of scared and mentally incoherent people? Climate skepticism is not about misunderstanding, or a lack of information, so education is useless. They're crazy, short and simple.

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discuss...

You greenies scare us. At one time there was a joke about cow farts. About a year or two ago there was serious legislation in the US about taxing farmers fr the number of cattle using the excuse of cow farts.

Years ago you would have thought it was a joke that the government could come into a factory and close it down due to the environment. Well many of us stood by and thought that reason would prevail. Now you see that happening. Well today it might be the beans and other funny stuff but in the end let us look at your crooked agenda.

Quote from the UN's Own "Agenda 21": "Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."

Little by little your side is attempting to inch toward that goal. I don't want that for my grandchildren. I'm sure you would sell your kids into reorientation over an unprovable theory. YUK! Your types make me sick!

Here is the EU "bendy banana" regulation:

"- free from malformation or abnormal curvature of the fingers, "

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?...

Yes

Well it is not quite the stupidest question I have seen here BUT it is a waste of peoples time and gives credence to not taking him seriously

Yes, I have problems with that also. Raisin Caine also realizes that many deniers lie about the science or ignore statistical variation and yet he seems completely unbothered by that--I guess because he agrees with them philosophically it's ok to let them slide on science and math.